Well Big Jim,
Calling you that I gather your nickname has nothing to do with your cranial capacity?
You have a rather unique analysis of a story that is only mean't to tell us of our origins. Not even us really, but it was written by and for the ancients who lived in a simpler, yet meaner world.
God does not have His prophets take dictation. They interpret and write (or talk) about how they see their visions.
Any idiot can come up with 'twenty questions' for any story in the Bible and JW rationalism is a fatally flawed example of this. It leaves out the mystery which applies to inspiration and attempts to use human reasoning ad nauseum.
One thing that you need to realize is that our Lord Jesus used the tales from Genesis in a literal sense, therefore they are literal events to some degree regardless of the opinion of you, I or a whole host of doubting Thomas'.
Take the 66 books making up the Bible in their whole context and the whole thing makes very good sense.
Cheers,
Rex
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Adam & Eve (a story full of questions)
by Big Jim inadam and eve.
most people are probably familiar with the story of adam and eve in the garden of eden.
also, most people consider it to be just a story.
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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?
by Seeker inthose of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.
when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.
we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.
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>And the billion-and-a-half Chinese, and the billion Indians, and the billion Moslems
Yep, there may be as many millions or more in China as there were in Russia....meeting secretly. Christians are enduring persecution in both India and the moslem nations because the message and the result is so effective.
Regardless, you answered NONE of my points above Mr.(ROFL) Seeker.
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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?
by Seeker inthose of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.
when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.
we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.
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This day could be any of our 'last days'.
There is absolutely no reason to dwell on 'end times'. I was just pointing out to Seeker how far he has bought into non-belief and replaced it with nothing except MAN'S WISDOM.
Most of us have enough trouble living up to our calling: "Deny thyself, Take up thy cross daily and follow me". Luke 9.23.
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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else
by Rex B13 inmaximus,.
you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.
you asked for an explanation and here it is:.
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You asked, I delivered. What's up?
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Really Simple question for the fundys
by hippikon inreally simple question for the fundys.
why is god invisible?
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"God, where are you? Why don't you reveal yourself to me?"
The sun was bright that day, blue skies with clouds in the distance. A gentle breeze brushed against the man's cheek and ruffled his hair.
"Where is your love for me, God"
The man's dog licked his hand, wagging it's tail as it gazed at it's master.
"If I only knew you were there for sure I could believe in you. Why are you not visible to me?"
Distant thunder echoed in the distance and the breeze became cooler, bringing relief from the humid day.
"Oh God, please speak to me and tell me what to do."
His Bible rested where it always did, on the coffee table.
It was closed as usual.God walked the earth in the form of a man. He died on the cross that you and I may have eternal life. His offer of grace is free for all who ask with an honest heart.
Rex
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Who Were the NWT Translators?
by AlanF ini just posted this information to a private email list, but i think it will be of interest to people on this board.. the following list of translators of the new world translation is a compilation from a variety of sources:.
frederick w. franz: main translator.
took liberal arts sequence at university of cincinnati; 21 semester hours of classical greek, some latin.
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Re: Who Were the NWT Translators? Jul 20, 2001 7:23:48 PM
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You list the names of six members of the Bethel family who are rumoured to be the members of the NWT committee. This disagrees with the list of four names stated by Raymond Franz in his COC page 50, 2nd edition, 1992. Whis is the correct list? I put it to you that your sources are unreliable even if they are well meaning, such is merely secondhand opinion or simply rumour.James Penton in his Apocalypse Delayed could not provide any evidence as to the identity of the committee. This is somewhat surprising as he is a competent historian of JW history, lived in somewhat close geographical proximity to the US and Canadian Bethels and no doubt would have had numerous sources and contacts. Yet he only refers to the list given on p. 50 in COC. How can this be?
Under a previous heading on this board 'Accuracy of Bible Translation', I commented that it is somewhat strange that in the likely event that there was archival material of the NWT committee in Bethel that this was mot referred to by Raymond Franz who one would have thought because of his status would have have access to it.
I queried as to why Franz did not provide any ORAL or WRITTEN material that could be used as evidence in a future public forum. In his COC, he gives an excellent account of oral converations, copies of letters and other confidential memos etc. He has a good memory in that he recalls even converations between his colleagues who were supposed members of the NWT committee.In your reply to this matter, you stated that it was because of a "fanatical devotion to secrecy" as an explanation. Surely, you must appreciate that organizations of whatever type possess at various levels, a measure of secrecy. Why even many families have their secrets. Apart from this, the organization is bureaucratic. This means there is much attention to records, archives, memos, correspondence etc. In short, one must logically expect that somewhere in Bethel there is documention in some form that does or may establish the identity of the committee. If in fact no such documentaion exists. then one may assume that NWT committee existed or exists outside of Bethel but not independent of it.
In fact, in your earlier post , you refer to such documentation but you provide no details. It is somewhat amazing with the number of people who have left and are no longer associated with the Society why they have not blown the whistle so to speak. Even Franz did not feel unashamed in revealing the contents of private conversations that would have been an embarrassment for such prominent individuals.
My thoughts:
Well, you exposed Alan's usual style of drawing attention to himself by pretending to be an 'insider' and he has fooled a lot of people!Then you said:
The committe wished that their anonymity be protected even after their death. This means that one of life's greatest secrets will be eternally preseved. This means that for eternity the greatest translation ever devised constitutes a memorial to the Author of the Holy Scriptures, Jehovah God.My thoughts:
Evidently, you have never read the mountainous evidence of the MISTRANSLATION and pathetic bias of the NWT to it's own theology. In contrast, most Bibles are translated using teams of scholars and specialists who are known for their integrity and honesty.
A scholar who is also a 'trinitarian' is just that because he sees the truth of the trinity in scripture. He is not a biased 'trinitarian' when it comes to literal and contextual translating. Those who have no integrity are soon discredited, guys like Greg Stafford and Ralf Furoli are prime examples. Fred Franz much vaunted 'hebrew' knowledge was much bolstered by already translated english Bibles.
Take a look at similiar available literal translations of the era and see where the NWT is almost the same EXCEPT for the verses that it chooses to mistranslate!
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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?
by Seeker inthose of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.
when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.
we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.
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>ROFL! Get your blinders off! Most of the world has barely heard of Christianity. Within the Christian nations, of course, it is growing, but that's because population is growing, combined with the shifting around of religious allegiances fomented by the evangelical movements. But outside the Christian world, it's business as usual and Christ has nothing to do with it.
You can "ROFL" all you want but it won't change a thing. It's growing EVERYWHERE except Canada and Western Europe, country after country and missionaries are coming to America and Europe more than ever.
This is the last great revival and you are going to be sick of hearing about it before the end of the Church Age.
"Last days"? We ALL face the "last days" each day that we live.Isn't it wonderful the way these threads take off when a dispute gets rolling?
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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?
by Seeker inthose of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.
when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.
we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.
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Take your pick on the humongous disasters that we are ont he edge of. Do I have to name them for you?
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Blah, blah, blah. Every generation thinks the same thing. Just wait till you see the disastrous possibilities of the 22nd century! Boy, will we be in trouble then!
None of the JW 'signs' are correct, it's all hooey and as accurate as their usual lack of context allows. Just to put you in the proper frame of mind, the JWs are totally wrong about so much that it is actually funny. The trinity, the immortal soul, hell for the unsaved (No, not Dante's version), end times, signs of the end times, the Rapture, the Great Trib, Armageddon and the list goes on. Randy Watters is one fellow who has said that the general 'protestant teachings' appear to be the closest Biblically. I believe that Jan has made similiar statements though of course from non-belief.
Did every generation experience the revival of Israel?
Did every generation have several ways to make us extinct?
Did every generation have the original provinces of Rome make moves to become a single entity?
Did every generation have a global economy?
Did you know that the world is in the midst of a huge Christian revival, thus the persecution from other entities has grown?
Have you not seen the moves of pagan religions in establishing alliances?
How far are we from the advent of the anti-Christ and might he be alive even now?
So many of you ex'dubs have houses in the forests, the drought is on, the match is soon to be lit.... And you don't even have 'fire insurance'! Then you ignore the import of Pascals' wager.
The world is sharply divided along so many lines that chaos reigns and once the Holy Spirit's overall influence departs, when the Church is gone, the gates of hell will be opened.The world is going to hell in a handbasket and the attitude of Jim Morrison prevails, "I'm going to get my kicks before this whole shithouse goes up in flames". I can identify with that thought for I was there once upon a time.
Yep, in between my two careers with the 'dubs I had me some fun. You know what? It doesn't compare to the JOY of serving the Lord, not even close.
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Sexual Morality in OT & NT
by AlanF insexual morality in the old testament differs from that in the new testament .
conservative christians like the jehovah's witnesses often claim that, like the new testament, the old testament forbids all sexual relations outside marriage, including relations between unmarried people.
that is not quite true.
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Hey,
Your the same dimbulb dub who thinks she told her 'born again' friends the 'what for' using her WTS trained Bible knowledge (that is a real good one). I nailed you to the wall on that one, didn't I sweetie?
Did ya read my little essay directed at your goofy claims about 'two commands' only? Do you know what the 'Great Commision is'? Have you ever read John 15, Luke 9.23 or Matthew 28, 18-20 in anything besides the NWT?
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Who Were the NWT Translators?
by AlanF ini just posted this information to a private email list, but i think it will be of interest to people on this board.. the following list of translators of the new world translation is a compilation from a variety of sources:.
frederick w. franz: main translator.
took liberal arts sequence at university of cincinnati; 21 semester hours of classical greek, some latin.
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Re: Who Were the NWT Translators? Jul 19, 2001 7:05:05 PM
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The observations of various people who worked closely with the translation committee or with documentation produced by it. Some of these folks are not comfortable with making themselves known just yet.AlanF
So you have a private 'revelation'? They would tell a dweeb like you and we get the info because you are so special?
As Tina would say, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
See Ya'
Rex